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i can’t believe people watch the last of us and hear “save who you can save” and “there was one person worth saving. and that’s what i did, i saved him and i protected him. that’s why men like you and me are here” and then somehow get to the season one finale and don’t understand the thesis of the show. you can philosophize back and forth on the good of the one versus the good of the many, but in crisis, in truly awful situations, our selfishness is bravery. it’s brave to refuse to let the harsh world take away what matters to you. joel saved ellie because in a world of unimaginable chaos and tragedy we have to cling to love at all costs. it’s human. it’s natural. it’s illogical, maybe. but it’s what we do for each other. because human beings even in our darkest hours cannot bear to live in the world without love. and god help any motherfuckers that stand in our way.

Since the show put this eternal debate about the validity of Joel's decision back on track, I wanted to talk about it and explain why Joel was right. Note that I'm not talking about Joel's reasons so don't tell me "yes, but Joel wasn't thinking about that so...", that's not the issue. The issue is his decision in itself.

Btw, I specify here that I talk about the show but considering its fidelity to the games, my arguments also work concerning them.

So... let's take a look at Ellie. Firstly, she was unconscious at the time. There's just no way to justify that. Marlene or the fans who defend the Fireflies can speculate all they want about what Ellie would have wanted, the truth is that we fucking don't know. We know for sure that she wanted to help produce a cure, but at the time, no one knew that this would require opening her head and killing her.

If Marlene was so sure of what she's claiming here, she would have woken up Ellie to give her the choice. But she didn't because she knows it's bullshit she's saying to convince both Joel and herself.

I'm sure I'll be objected that in TLOU 2, Ellie blamed Joel for preventing her from dying on the operating table and that given the fidelity of the series to the games, this will surely be the case in the next season. Yeah but that's irrelevant too, it's not the same Ellie. In a few years, especially during adolescence, we change a lot.

Then, since we're talking about Ellie's consent, I would like to remind you that regardless of whether she was conscious or not, she's a 14 year old girl. I have the impression that too many people tend to forget that, no one at that age can make the decision to sacrifice their life with full knowledge of what they're giving up and with the maturity to think about it properly. Especially when the 14 year old girl in question is victim of survivor's guilt after having seen several of her close ones die.

For those who have trouble visualizing what I'm saying, I'll make an analogy : If an adult slept with a 14 year old and the latter justified herself to you by saying that she was consenting and that it was her choice, would you find this relevant ? Of course not, because almost everyone knows that there are decisions that children/teenagers can't consent to !

Now that was just about Ellie, but what about the cure ? Because in spite of all the utilitarian debates about whether or not Ellie needs to be killed for the greater good, we're forgetting one essential point : What proves that the Fireflies could have made a cure ? Because whether it's in the games or in the show, there's no real evidence of that. Even the Fireflies don't know anything about it, Marlene and the others directly assume that they will be able to create a vaccine from Ellie's Cordyceps even though they barely had time to do some tests on her while she was unconscious.

Hey you know what ? Even Marlene implicitly admits that they don't know about it : "Our doctor… he thinks that the Cordyceps in Ellie has grown with her since birth (…) He thinks it could be a cure, Joel."

They literally had no plan or certainties, they didn't even take the time to conduct any in-depth study of Ellie, of her blood for example to find a way to produce a vaccine without killing her. They just chose the easiest solution out of impulsivity without worrying for a single minute about the opinion and safety of the concerned one.

Whether it was for the greater good or not, all of Marlene's justifications are based on biased assumptions and intellectual dishonesty. Joel hurt many people and was wrong about a lot of things but certainly not about stopping reckless morons from butchering his 14 year old daughter.

“oh no, joel killed the doctor, possibly the only person smart enough to make a cure!” oh yeah? then maybe the fireflies should have consulted with the doctor before telling the guy they all know for being great at killing that they were gonna kill his daughter and he doesn’t get to say goodbye. maybe he would be smart enough to say that’s a bad idea.

Just in case anyone was wondering if the Fireflies would have found a cure: absolutely NOT.

Ignoring the game canon (where they mention that they have tried and failed and murdered dozens of immune kids), and only using text from the show we know for a fact that medicine has NOT advanced since 2003.

To begin with, when Frank is dying of cancer and wants to do euthenasia, Bill says they "might find a cure." Frank jokingly says that there was no cure before the fall, and he doubts there are any new doctors walking around with functional MRIs. This tells us we did not develop any new cures for incural diseases. In 2003 we did NOT have a cure for this fungal infection, and we don't even have one now in our 2023, let alone THEIR 2023.

In Kansas City Karen is holding a doctor hostage in exchange for information about Henry. He tries leveraging the fact that he's a doctor in an attempt to keep himself alive. It doesn't work. Doctors are NOT valued in this world.

Marlene mentions that when crossing the country they lost half their men, while Joel stayed alive the whole time. The Fireflies are barely equiped to travel, let alone distribute a life saving medicine. They are terrorists willing to experiment on children. Even if they found a cure, they would not give it away for free. It would become leverage in a power struggle, and Joel knows this.

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. The Fireflies would have murdered Ellie and it would have been for nothing.

i've seen people on tiktok and twitter getting mad that people are siding with joel for citing that 1. the fireflies have no feasible means to create and distribute an actual working vaccine 2. their entire medical and research methods are so full of holes

some people act like they're much better fans of tlou because they discuss the more nuanced aspects of joel's decision and why it can be argued that what he did was wrong.

like, based on facts, them lying by omission was already unethical by medical professional standards. what was joel supposed to do? submit a report to the american medical association and pause the operation to wait for their judgement? the man is outnumbered and his kid is already hooked up on an operating table. you think the fireflies would let joel waltz in the operating room, ask the doctor and nurses and fireflies to wait for ellie to wake up, and then ask for her consent? when in fact they were already so hostile to joel as soon as he woke up?

joel was right. and i can make this post longer by arguing that he also believed lying to ellie was the best course of action. he's lied to her before about everyone loving contractors. hell, ellie tells joel in episode 3 he should have lied to her so she would not be enticed to check out the mass grave. she tells joel in episode 6 that he could just have lied about how the dam works and she would have believed him. but i fucking digress.

poking holes at the material conditions of the fireflies along with their medical malpractice is not a bad argument to use to justify joel's actions. get off your high discourse horse and fight me.

all this discourse of "Joel took away the chance for a cure" is so stupid because im pretty sure it was established at the very start of the series that THERE IS NO CURE.

A scientist who's studied fungus her entire life said that too. when she had the necessary tools at hand to go through every avenue she could. and her solution was to bomb the city so it wouldn't spread.

people arguing for the cure are putting a lot of weight in a biology dropout crazy guy, who doesn't have the right equipment, has no plan, was willing to kill the immunes without any research done, than an actual scientist. What even?

Lol my unpopular take is that I like playing as Atreus

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Spoilers for house of the dragon

I mean major spoilers. Don't say I didn't warn you.

If the show ends like the book says it does, I'm gonna have a tiny tiny hope it doesn't since Leanor faked his death. But if it does, can we at least have an after life scene with Daemon and Rhaenyra like they did in Reign😭

Where she dies, but instantly gets to see Daemon again and they get to be together. I know this show is not the kind to give happy endings or scenes after death, but I want this badly.

I'm still not over the scene where they introduce Viserys to the babies are you kidding meeeeeee little Viserys is so adorable and the way Daemon was caressing his head and making little faces at him once he started crying they're literally asking me to off myself

I really truly dont know how to act rn it's simply too much

Jinx didn't shoot Silco to protect Vi. 

  One thing I keep hearing people say is that Jinx shot Silco in order to protect Vi. But the thing is, she didn't.

  Jinx only shoots at him when she here's the click of the gun and proceeds to fire in his general direction. Jinx is not currently in the right state of mind and her perspective of reality is contorted. When she hears the gun about to fire she shoots back without thinking, not with the intention of saving Vi, but in order to protect herself.

  Evidence that helps to back this up is the fact that afterwards, Jinx doesn't, not even for a split second, check to see if Vi is alright. You'd think that if you're trying to protect someone from getting shot at you would check to see if the bullet hit them or even ask if they're ok. Jinx never does this. Not even after she walks away from Silco's corpse

  She doesn't glance in her direction, asks if she got hit, doesn't even untie her from her chair.

*heavy sighing*

Can we please stop trying to claim that Silco manipulated Jinx into sticking around?

When we saw her choose to cling to him in Act 1, and he had no idea Vi was actually still alive as evidenced when Sevika mentions her being back, and his ass whirls around in his chair all wide eyed and says, "From the dead!?" And proceeds to pay Marcus a visit about the lie he was told?

Silco did not manipulate Jinx. Please stop trying to claim he did. Please. Worst. Take. EVER.

Y'all really don't have to continually lecture people about how ~ toxic and unhealthy ~ the Silco-Jinx dynamic was. We know lmfao. You're not a genius for figuring it out. I assure you not a single person on earth genuinely thinks they were the healthiest duo ever and wants to emulate their dynamic. People joking about how Silco was a 10/10 Best Crime Boss Dad is not gonna cause the fall of civilization, I promise you. That people were touched by the depth and sincerity of his love for her was the intention of the show. Fandom memes that whitewash fictional characters' crimes for comedy's sake are normal and will always be par for the course, they're really not the massive problem y'all make them out to be. Relaxxxxx

I saw someone compare El and Brenner to Jinx and Silco and like, I kinda understand what they were going for, but Silco didn't keep Jinx locked up for the majority of her life. She was pretty much free to go wherever she wanted.

Oh and also Silco didn't originally plan on adopting Jinx until stuff happened and he was like "alright let's go with this I guess"

Meanwhile Brenner literally had El in his "possession" (bc let's be real that's what she was to him) since she was born

So, let’s run through a troubling confluence of facts. 1. Marcus pinned the Hexgate and Progress Day attacks on the Firelights to Jayce. 2. Mechanical firelight bombs were found (directly seen by Jayce) at the site of the bridge attack.  3. Jayce has no context to understand the relationship between Silco and Jinx and the Firelights. He could easily conclude that Jinx works with the Firelights.  4. Caitlyn knows the location of the Firelights’ base.  Conclusion? Next season Jayce and the enforcers are going after the Firelight tree like:

Arcane/League of legends characters rated by shitty to least shitty

Potential spoilers for future seasons

Singed - He does several war crimes. Like using toxic gas on entire nations in war.

Viktor - He declares war on biological life and tries to assimilate living beings into his "Glorious Evolution" (fun fact: if you combine Viktor and Singed into one character you get Yawgmoth from Magic the Gathering)

Jinx - She pretty much just destroys the cities for fun. Lots dead.

Jayce - his leadership brought the two cities to war and his attempts at control lead to crackdowns. Plus he is super egotistical.

■■■■■■■ - he kind of has to murder people in the streets of Zaun, but focuses on those with blood on their hands. Those who know who, know who. Wait for season 2.

Vi - she becomes a cop and always does the police brutality thing.

Heimerdinger - his lack of action to addressing the situation caused the situation. Luckily in game he just is a quirky guy who builds turrets.

Caitlyn - also is a cop though less police brutality thing.

Ekko - literally did nothing wrong ever. Like one of the few League characters unapologetically good with goals on improving society for the better.

He better.

So is anyone else wondering if Silco will be back for Season 2 as one of Jinx’s hallucinations?

This is Canon now

Callin it now.

Jinx is going to make Fishbones’ left eye red next season.

In there rdr2 era

Manifesting a quick-draw gun battle between Caitlyn and Jinx in season 2.

+Bonus

If I see one more fucking post saying shit like "oh so Mike's best day was when will went missing" "oh so his life started the day will went missing huh" im going to cry blood

First of fucking all

1. Will goes missing on the 6th of November 1983. They find el in the woods on the 7th. Those are not the same fucking days. Ye either forgot that shit or ur blatantly lying.

Second of all

2. He does not say "omg my best day ever was around the time will went missing 💞💅" like ye are making it out to be. He is saying that's when his life started. Which is true. His life completely changed when el came into his life. That's when all the characters lives completely changed. Not that what he is saying is even about will which brings me to my next point.

3. This is literally not about will. Its about using words of affirmation to prevent the girl he loves from fucking dying.

Also another point mike has already stated that his best day was the day him and will became friends. Mike throughout the show states will is his best friend. He loves him. He is just not attracted to him in the way will or ye want him to be. So please stop spreading this bs everywhere cause I'm tired of correcting ye.

Everytime I think I've found a cool fellow Will Byers stan, I go to their blog and find out they genuinely believe b*ler is going to become canon. I've generally become a "ship and let ship" person, but there is this certain group of shippers that give me big "death threats to the duffers for failing our ship" vibes. I see a massive meltdown and harassment campaign against the Duffers and Shawn Levy once they truly realize their ship was never the plan and it makes me nervous as fuck.

Literally HAHAHHA

If I see one more Byler fan tell an actual honest to God queer person that they're homophobic for not shipping their otp, I'm going to lose it.

Me, a gay person, after finishing ST s4: Wow I can’t wait to go on tumblr and see how people felt about the many exciting plot and character developments, like Max’s near-death experience, or Robin and Steve’s sweet friendship, or Hopper’s monologue about what being a father means to him, or how One manipulated Eleven, or how Will is basically confirmed gay–

Tumblr: BYLER is CANON and if you DON’T SHIP IT you are an UGLY HOMOPHOBE becuz it is DEFIANTLY happenening

Me: alright then

I know some ppl will be upset by this but

Byler isn't queerbait. Queerbait is when a show writes two heavily queercoded characters and purposely baits the fans into believing it will become canon

1) Will is queercoded, and practically canonically gay. Mike isn't. Mike has only ever shown interest in El. You can argue that as much as you want but there's no solid proof for him being queer, just looks and the horrible take that Mike didn't tell El he loves her bc he's gay

2) just bc the actors ship it, doesn't mean they're saying they'll get together

And another thing

"Ugh how could the duffers trick us into thinking that Will was going to come out to Jonathan!" and "Well if Robin comes out how come Will can't" are both things that I have seen on here and on tiktok, and honestly it pisses me off.

No one said that the Will and Jonathan was a coming out scene, the fandom concluded that. And second, queer people don't owe people coming out. It's the 80s, both of them could be killed for that. Also, Will has been bullied for 'acting queer' for years, maybe think about the fact that it’s a shameful and humiliating thing to him

Have the duffers been pretty awful to Will? Yes. But guess what, they've also been awful to El, Max, and Joyce this whole time, where are the posts being outraged over that?

Everyone's allowed their own opinion on things, but don't go saying byler is queerbait when it fucking isn't. That's like saying ronance and steddie were queerbait, but no one's saying that bc IT'S NOT QUEERBAIT

Queer people existed in the 80s, but they were also exiled or killed for it. And queer people shouldn't have to come out anyway. So maybe remember those facts before you get all prissy about Will not coming out this season.

People really be mad that Eleven didn't get cheated on by Mike with her brother like.... I get people feel queerbaited but there was no way Will x Mike was ever gonna happen. Mike was never gay to begin with. Will obviously has feelings but they aren't reciprocated. He deserves someone but it definitely isn't Mike. And no it's not bad writing. This show was never about byler. Season 4 is literally the best season ever. Fuck shippers tbh like goddamn💀here I am expecting everyone to collectively freak out over how amazing that ending was orchestrated and instead I am just seeing salty byler fans lmaoooo

Byler shippers are so stupid

Editing because they just proved my point, i'll be clearer, they're not stupid for shipping byler, they're stupid for spreading hate in the cast and season because their shipp that CLEARLY wasn't going to happen didn't happen. It wasn't bad just because the couple you wanted didn't happen, at least criticize things that actually have a point

this is the funniest thing this just in b*ler fans are reaching so far they’re straight up trying to say that mike doesn’t see eleven as a girl and therefore is gay 💀

When Mike didn’t say “I love you”, By*ers twisted it to their narrative.

When Mike did say “I love you”, By*ers twisted it to their narrative.

Make it make sense.

It's so funny

the fandom is crazy they actually made a tag for platonic mileven 🤣 the butthurt must be painful also this doesn't happen to any other ship in the fandom.