The Commoners Are Also To Blame, They Planned On Contributing To The Upper Class And Becoming Apart Of

kpop fans and morality is an interesting combo. People actively s*xualize people who at times debut looking legitimately 14, act younger than they really are, yet fans will say the most dehumanizing things, read horror stories about them on ao3 yet still with they dense selves can't look from above the situation and realize wait maybe they are into stuff that WE the fans find weird because THEY the artists have been misused and dehumanized and relate to stories of mistreated young people. People wanna be the victim so bad. So sorry but stans are not on the right side of history no matter how you flip it. I've seen those weird fancalls, kdolls are treated like actual dolls, them being grown isn't even a thought on the fans mind unless its for their entertainment. Yes most likely they find solace in twisted things that match their twisted lives. The big tell is throwing bad 'idols' away then holding the other good well behaving idols close, like thats a human being shouldn't of been worshipping a person anyway. Asking any grown person to act 5 and shimmy shimmy/ do fanservice when they grew up looking up to pop stars thinking they too were gonna be well respected by their fans is probably giving many idols psychological breakdowns. Not surprised one bit if many watch disturbing content its very common with people who had their childhoods taken away. Sadly kpop fans have such a big head because the companies act like they can't do any wrong. I think some like being angry just so the idol can do some big apology its at least some type of feeling they have control over the idol. Its cool to drop people but its the underlying superficial reasoning behind it. Defending a grown person is a waste they can stand on their own two feet but its the bigger issue I'm worried about. Like the irony of wanting to protect young people but supporting kpop

I'm sorry but no the idea people can have big moral guns concerning art(never seen the show but I'd be shocked if its worse than the 1st season of berserk) but not with kpop companies and idols telling you they using kids and working them til they ready to pass out..but thats okay..telling you they train young idols to seduce noonas and oppas..and thats okay its simply seen as a cultural difference. When idols cry about missing their families and falling behind in life +not having kids whenever they initially said they would but to the public that's cool cause at least they are successful. The sm basement jokes are plentiful..kids in basements sweating, not eating and being taught how to be romantic with other young people for fans so they'll buy they future albums...this is seen as okay as well....but they should not relate to art about misused young people ...uhm no life don't work like that sorry. Same reason why kids in america relate to hunger games they don't like totalitarian government and survival of the fittest THEY ARE LIVING IT GENIUS!

The importance of style, coloring and font

this would of been a nice alternative stylizing for peaches, yes the tibetan swag was cool

but if they mixed a 1980s cowboy beebop type of thing

, to me it would of been a better sequel to his first album. Also I'm just realizing why didn't they have the ninja wear be black black? The outfit for choom, actually looked better. Why gray? See it's the little things.

It all looked good, but it just wasn't cohesive. Mhmm was cohesive sci fi fantasy fifth element exotic space whoredom vibes which I do like.

(lady gaga+michael jackson+prince)

like yes, but why start with the apocalypse. But otherwise that was A+.

Peaches I can't say what it was, princely greek alien messiah ....egypt something? Like no, like yes don't get me wrong, but no in how it was done. Because the teasers went HEAVY on the greek, but in the mv they are in old timey Korea/china/tibet--and then they are in a castle in egypt per his own words..but the architecture is clearly Mesopotamian. Poor thing was confused.

I feel for the team they just don't know what to do. They had ten years to get it right and they just tried to fit everything in one mv. I think Peaches would of been better as a third album or a fourth. They needed a bit more build up to make this make sense.

The ideal could of been split up into two albums part one and two one focusing on western and another on eastern religion. I know the point was to be a fusion, but the end goal isn't concise. The concept of the album is basically like a greek myth star crossed lover, but that isn't a real concept in the other religions. Also he was portraying narcissus who only loves himself and nobody else, but the forbidden fruit is a metaphor for humanity falling due to lustful temptation. It's like those are things that need to be dealt with separately and then fused together. On one hand it could be a self love journey, but then on another he's portraying a messiah figure, yet he is also the bad guy and doesn't care about anything...

and when asked about it he just said soft peach or hard peach and then did a tik tok with the grinch that stole childhoods...

but in the end nobody really cares like yes it was cute but there were so many literary, historical, and religious references but the reactions was just

sigh I'm so embarrassed of this generation.

fin.

Exo Kai: Due West

heavily opinionated semi long post

Inspired by a genius post I saw on twt iykyk, I didn't wanna bother them they seemed stressed.

topic: Is Kai promoting in English and doing Western promotion activities pandering for Western validation?

(because he clearly never pandered to anyone before ever in the history of ever...it never happened... seriously. I don't believe he knows what pandering is actually.)

Simple Fact: TECHNICALLY..yes

Question: Is that a bad thing?

Opinion: It depends

Clarification : By western do you mean American? And by pandering do you actually mean worshipping Eurocentricity and it's machine of capitalism? That is a slippery topic, technically most kpop idols, such as Kai, are already modeling for European brands and not Asian or African etc. Plus they have fans constantly brag about said sponsorships that they do. Plus South Koreans and far east asians are top consumers of european luxury brands

so anti colonialism is an odd arguement to stand behind with a kpop pfp but okay.

Opinion: Look, If you have a precise plan and goal for promoting in America, creating a better bond with foreign audiences, expressing creativity, working with more diverse creatives, and touring in multiple different states and/or countries, solidify the artist's place in the realm of popular music while having a more freeing time doing it... I don't get the problem with an artist like Kai promoting in America. It cannot intensify the issue of Kpop artists seeming like they are pandering to the euro-colonial powers, because it's already looking pretty bad tbh.

The real issue: Freedom. The reality is when someone dynamic, attractive, and full of life has freedom, obviously they are going to meet new people, make friends, and develop in personality. The real issue is whether fans who have had an artist as a cute little toy for years.

Are they ready to find out what his real personality is when he is given freedom. The reality is that despite dating clauses not technically existing after a few years post-debut, people do not actually expect them to talk about crushes, who they find attractive, or publicly state their attraction towards someone. Personally, I believe what K-pop fans expect, which is virtual silence except when being cute, charming, funny, or flirtatious and/or childlike asexual behavior, except if it is for audience consumption, this teeters on a slave owner mindset and is very gross. A person who calls themself a K-pop idol cannot publicly date like a regular artist.

I mean, they can, but not in a traditional way. Kai and Krystal technically dated for 2 years, and they couldn't mention one another's name publicly during that entire time.

They didn't even go near one another in public after it was revealed not even at smtown's. But at least people had a magazine shoot as proof they even knew one another.

Jennie and Kai weren't event at the same event since the dating scandal happened years ago, not an award show, or any other public event. If anything a dating scandal just means the person will enter a crackdown and be forced to be more present with fans to make up for what they lost.

It is extremely normalized in Korean culture that males and females try not to even make eye contact lest it be thought of that they did something.

For this reason it's incredibly easy for fans to say it is nonexistent. This is a pretty good summary of what happened.

The accepted narrative anyway. Sadly to combat the 'negative press' of dating publicly, fans go harder on the shipping, the overs#xualization, and the unfunny jokes to move the conversation away from their dating news. Taking the fandom further and further away from reality.

Yet, at the same time since people don't see 99 percent of the artist they obsess over's life and the entire 1 percent is scripted, they don't know how these people truly act or behave, or really anything about them. So to overcompensate other parts of their personality and minor things are overblown and hyperfocused on. Praise and worship take the place of actual critical thought.

Regardless of the opinion of whether it matters to every individual supporter or not, it still had actual effects on his career. To this day his support is stronger overseas. I believe this is in conjunction to the 2 dating scandals and his appearance. Which is a whole nother thing, but with this in mind a western audience, especially one that is less likely to bash for a simple dating scandal would be a smart choice.

To the people who have a don't ask don't tell policy when it comes to artists, but just don't want the artists to date publicly to protect them, what do they know, do they even look into the analysis how when properly leveraged a relationship could be good for business and not bad. I hesitate to believe fans whenever they say they don't care if their fave dates or not anyway. Like of course you don't care, because they will continue to play their role of a perfect idol content with fanservice.

I would say it's fine, but it really isn't, even in japan idol culture there is room for growth and evolution inside the mold. They gradually moved their idol culture over to the acting scene so now the youth are somewhat used to seeing public figures dating openly, it may be a surprise but I wouldn't classify it as a scandal.

Personally, I believe if they can push kpop idols towards acting and movies, then similar to japan it wouldn't become this crazy thing and artists can be young and married without it being a frenzy.

(p.s weloveyoukento) It's not exactly perfect but it is changing for the better.

In japan the mold is forever being molded and shifted to where it needs to be, whereas in kpop it seems to be stuck in stasis with the conveyer belt model continuing.

With the art clearly showing what fans deny, that each idol group is contained and perfected to the fans whims and desires.

Understandably people want privacy in relationships, but the privacy is mostly due to their careers being built on the whims of the fans.

To be fair all boy bands historically have done this. Whether that means wearing outfits that only teen girls like, or dancing uniformly to upbeat tunes for hours on end. It isn't just kpop that stretched people to the limit and covered up their originality.

Regardless of the location, race, or culture/ethnicity of said boy band this was all true, but in Kpop there is a specific desire to control the entire person as a product and as a human and this is something the fans are willing to ignore to recieve whatever fanservice they want.

Nobody cares who their local restaraunt owner or store employee dates, because they don't go to the store for them they go for the product, BUT in K-pop the artists are the product, the emotional relationship with fans is apart of the deal. Therefore they feel almost a sense of surrealness when thinking about them in a public relationship. Personally, I believe even western people struggle with having an odd fascination with who a person does or does not date, but again this is because people craft an image that makes it unbelivable if they go against it.

Whether it's a fake relationship or a real one, the point is that with either you would expect something like a conversation or a small mention during an interview, but typically Kpop stars are not allowed to do such a thing, ever. That is just how it is in K-pop. Whether the fans are native Korean or foreigner fans, much of the same behavior is expected. No one can say they have seen an artist's real personality. It isn't possible. Nearly everything is scripted.

In some cases, like Taemin's, they didn't even know their actual personalities.

They can go out and do things for fun, but it is expected that whatever they do not be noticeable to fans. Everything is expected to be hidden or undercover to be respectful of the fans. Because the artists are firstly marketed as boyfriends and girlfriends for the fans. Regardless of how it is spun, this is the marketing promotion; otherwise, suggestive music videos wouldn't really be necessary, nor would high-five events of ...fansigns.

I don't want to act like K-pop invented this.

It did not

or pretend that it is even the most extreme version of marketing love to strangers out of an exotic curiosity;

because it isn't. This has been happening for ages, but I will say that kpop has this unique hold where evolution doesn't exist. Since the 1990s I think kpop has gone backwards, before it was normal for idols girlfriends to leave the performance venues with them.

Now if a girlfriend posts something on her social that even implies they are together it is cause for fans to burn merch and say rude and innapropriate things online out of vendicated anger.

Even having a boyfriend or close male friend can invoke the ire of fans who have crafted an idol's desires to their imaginations, even if they themselves have no interest in them.

So if they do something unexpected like date a man, even though they "hate men" people have full blown meltdowns and delete their accounts out of embarrassment.

I've seen it happen to so many people. They refuse to accept a possibility and when it happens they loose it.

I know that people have sensitivities about Kpop people becoming more free, and honestly I think it's for the best. I do not think people want the ownership that fans feel to grow even more. They need more open and honest interviews, less objectfication and more laying out the facts instead of fans being so bored they hyperfixate on fake gossip to the point of it being more real than reality.

But no seriously all jokes aside, please somebody explain to Kai what pandering to an audience means. Doing things specifically to appeal to others whims and desires that you as a grown adult person probably don't want to do, but you must because of dinero, guap or cash money. Cause clearly he is just a giant stuffed animal and he has no ideal how it works, how anything at all works actually, he just dresses like this on stage because..I mean like what else would he wear, duh! How could he be expected to pander to the euro-colonial-objectifying axis of evil...

He's like..never even done that before....

what's your favorite kpop group?

Mine is tsquad

disney was incredibly brave to put them out when they did.

of course immediately after they disbanded other groups started capitalizing off the huge gap they left in the genre.

but in my opinion with the ethnic diversity, gender equality and the fact that they were the first to do it means that they will always have a place in my heart.

I really agree with 90 percent of this. But also i dug into korean history, culture and fan lore. Basically the reason why ppl dont think they should date is idols are like the host club employees of the entertainment world. People know that is the job whenever they sign up. It isnt anything to do with artistry. Korean people know this but westerners do not. Also they already knew he had a partner and that majority of idols have partners or spouses but when you get married its expected your job should no longer be a host basically. Its a job for younger people. So honestly I think koreans are unfairly judged cause people don't even know what it is they are upset about. If they were regular artists like khip hop and krnb artists they could of gotten married years ago and nobody would ever say anything. Apparently they flirt with korean fans at private fansigns and secret events and basically act like a host and say romantic stuff. Khiphop and rnb artists date publicly so even if they flirt its clearly empty promises. Kdolls do not do this marketing style with foreign fans. We get completely different marketing. More we are friends or buddies style marketing. So that is why theres outrage with korean fans but not western. It is dumb but it does make more sense to me now. Especially because they tend to encourage kfans to spend loads or money on them like actual hosts do as well as buy music. Plus with the kfans protesting it was because they waited until after they were done touring to say info that was known months ago. If they dont care about the kfans who were protesting why not tell them before the concert. Because they wanted their money. Thats what they were mad about it was slimely. Imagine if justin pretended he was single in 2010 and after he sold out madison square garden he posted selena. Like bro if you wanna date just date but be real about it. Exo lost so much respecr from how they ignore members who left, to dating but always waiting until after promotion to be public to just not really performing well even though fans spent so much money to go to multiple concerts so everything could always sell out. Its not them dating its the fact that they just lie and are cowardly. Just rip the bandaid off date publicly and talk about theur relationships. Then the ones who dont like it will just leave. The reality is if they dont want crazy fans fine, but stop doing fanservice just do music if thats what they want to do. Promote to guys and older folks. Go to sporting events and promote in a gender neutral asexual way. Until then like they really cant complain cause they made the bed they lie in.

I’m so happy for him! I can’t stand the “fans” who don’t think idols should date and be happy.

Like yeah, we are all a little shocked about it because wow he’s damn good at hiding his private life but shit, some of the kfans are mad - some intl ones too. I hope what happened to that suju member who got married doesn’t happen to Jongdae. He’s getting close to 30 and deserves this damn happiness after giving up 8 years of his life to make us happy!!

REMA | Calm Down (2022)

Phrase of the day

The invasion already happened.

The best takeovers happen silently.

Idk who needs to hear this. But if you hate "white woman feminism" or rich woman feminism or any type of feminism like you probably just don't like feminism be honest. Cause men of every creed believe in male supremacy and uphold it. The poorest of men will hype up a millionaire athlete. It's garbage separation that is why the lowest of society is still the lowest of society. It's trash cause as a woman admit it, when do women truly with an all female brigade just bring down pain and suffering. If you have to look hard for an example then that proves the point. It's uncommon. If females worked together and stopped the clownery the world could be changed in an instant it's this hatred and jealousy that is the reason why we keep enduring all this suffering. It's this crab barrel mentality and believing men are prizes or something to emulate