spider-chris06
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Did u see the new spiderverse artwork cuz I sure did knfiejge
Hudson Thames, the voice of Peter Parker in 'Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man', was afraid that the series would be "Woke"...
When that asshole finds out that the character who is considered THE definitive Spider-Man, who's also the most iconic hero and the face/center of the entire franchise along with the classic Spider-Man is everything he considers "Woke", he's going to give him a stroke 💀
I remade this old drawing because I’m OBSESSED with across the spiderverse rn
Basically that E-42 Ganke is literally Nine while in that same universe there is Miles G/The Prowler being literally Shadow The Hedgehog and Miles Morales/Spider-Man on the other hand being literally Sonic The Hedgehog traveling between dimensions like in prime?
I'm Down.
Thinking thoughts again guys.
Thinking about Ganke (42)
More SPECIFICALLY thinking about Ganke as Doc Oct. Or at least, a variant.
I MEAN COME ON!!! TRYING TO GET ACROSS DIMENSIONS?? STUDYING THAT SHIT? That may be more of a 1610 Miles thing but I like to think that both Ganke"s are REALLY interested in it too. Or at least 42 is.
I feel like with the way their world is too, 42 Ganke is more likely to get a position at Alchemax. At the very LEAST for their science and tech and ease of access to stuff for his own projects.
But like. Come on. Look at him.
I just wanted to show that picture...
Assuming we know nothing(or little) about this Ganke's parents, is it too daring to think that, perhamps, his mother is Doc Oct? Or father, if we're being different. Just A PARENT in general?
And maybe I just like projecting onto them, but also maybe like... do you see what I'm getting at. Her ass probably hates kids. And isn't easily impressed. So imagine having a kid you probably don't even want (for science? Maybe.... more angst potential..) and he grows up absolutely DESPERATE to please you and get told that you're proud of him and that he's enough. And then he gets to an age where he no longer has to rely on you (or other people, her ass did nothing to raise him), and he starts thinking for himself, and since you're all bad and evil and stuff you realize something.
This whole entire time, the past thirteen long, dreadful years of your life, you haven't been using your full potential.
You have a pawn right at your fingertips.
A young mind full of turmoil and the overwhelming need to please you.
Someone who can be easily molded.
Manipulated.
Shaped.
Formed.
You have a tool.
Just sitting on the couch right in front of you. An entire person of just wasted potential. One who was sat on his ass for his entire life and done nothing (in her opinion)
And if you're all evil and bad, what are you gonna do with that information?
You're going to use it.
"Hey son I know I haven't really talked to you since your birthday three years ago but how would you like an opportunity to get close to the very grand and very loving mother that I suddenly am?"
He's going to say yes. That's like giving a mouse a cookie.
The chance to be with his mom some more? To finally get the chance to prove to her that he is worth loving? The answer might as well be a flashing neon green sign. Capital letters. Y-E-S. Because why wouldn't he
So she starts training him, in small ways at first, going easy on him since he's still just a boy, really, but gradually working him up with harder and harder tasks and missions until he's finally earned himself a pair of his own robotic octopus arms (that he had to engineer and build himself)
And FINALLY for ONCE in his fucking LIFE he is making his mom PROUD OF HIM. He finally gets the love, the praise, the appreciation he's craved ever since he was a toddler.
Ooh, and he's doing such a good job hacking into top secret shit and files and such a good job stealing and doing his mother's dirty work and-- what's this?
There's this new kid on the block.
Apparently, the old Prowler's retired. His alliance fell through. And the new Prowler? His loyalty has completely flipped. Motives, too.
Instead of aiding them in raids and taking out enemies, he's now actively ATTACKING them and foiling their missions.
Instead of being a villain like the rest of them, he's suddenly trying to get RID of the villains?
The fuck is this guy's problem.
Who does he think he IS suddenly poking his nose into shit he DOESNT belong in?? SCREWING UP GANKE'S CHANCE WITH HIS MOM!!! The chance he's been waiting SIXTEEN YEARS FOR! Oh, he's pissed.
He overhears hears his mom talking at a meeting about a plan to try and lure and trap this kid to get him off their asses (he's a master at sneaking and eavesdropping at this point.. even just to hear his mother's voice and think up ways he can make her like him) and he decided that this is his moment. His calling. His purpose.
That very night, he decides to make the Prowler (junior, as they're calling him) his very own personal mortal enemy.
But little does he know
The guy he's constantly trying to kill every night?
His roommate.
Yeah, The Prowler Junior(™️) is his high school roommate and (soon to be) certified best friend.
Blah blah blah they fight all the time oh but now they're chill and- I just blinked why are you guys kissing and holy hell your mother found out and tells you that you don't deserve your last name and will never live up to your potential (which, she claims she knew this, which is why she gave him his father's last name and not her own. Lee.) and you're fighting with Miles again and yet oh God now you've been disowned and have to go to him for help Oh No That's Bad What.
:3
Do you see the appeal. I need to draw him. And make more of this AU. What should I call it? I'll be thinking.. also open to suggestions I'm Bad at naming stuff......
OKAY BYE
There's no way that those parallels were not made on purpose, for some reason all the comparisons between Spider-Man being Sonic The Hedgehog and E-42 Prowler being Shadow The Hedgehog had A LOT of impact on the internet, leaving any other nonsense comparison with the SEGA characters completely forgotten.
If SEGA and Spider-Man or Marvel do a future collaboration, there's literally a 99% chance that Miles will be Sonic and Miles G. will be Shadow, thanks to all the fanarts and comparisons that were made between them.
And that's not to mention the number of comparisons between Ghostflower and Sonamy, which are many.
ProwlerMiles and SpiderMiles have the same energy as Sonic and Shadow the Hedgehog YOU ALL KNOW THAT IM RIGHT
The One and Only Spider-Man and Sonic being compared by people for being alike? YES. ALWAYS PLEASE.
live and learn
They are the best of friends.
Peter popsicle 💔
Massive W Spider-Man take
Ngl, it's actually worrying how there are people who mischaracterizing Gwen Stacy and unironically think that she's an edgy with suicidal thoughs who does not know how to interact with people and a lone wolf when she always was literally all the opposite.
Or worse still, some try to minimize or erase her evolution as a result of his character arc by implying that, for example, during his stay in Spider-Society she did nothing but get depressed like Peter B during his flashback in ITSV when doesn't exist a single source that supports that, on the contrary, both the creators, the directors, actors and the art book itself literally said that she did the complete opposite of that, maturing, making true friendships and progressing in her social skills.
They did exactly the same thing with Miles the past year with his "Sunshine-boyification", and I still don't understand what the purpose of this is? Why want to transform a character into something totally different?
And I say this as a fan of her, of Miles and of all the characters in the Spider-Verse, I have had my own personal problems, some of those were no small thing at all, but I was always optimistic and that is something that characterizes these characters.
Its optimistic and positive messages inspires me and A LOT of people, and seeing that there are people who want to change that for something that the creators NEVER intended to do is uncomfortable and exhausting.
And you don't need to be insulting me, if you don't like what I say, ignore me and go on with your day calmly.
I'm not going to be a sellout to make everyone happy.
To everyone else who follows me and shares my opinions, even if they are few, thank you, really.
I WANT TO SCREAM. FINALLY GOT ITSV ARTBOOK AND I JUST DYING FROM HOW GORGEOUS IT IS.
I can't stop flipping through pages and just adore every word and artwork in it 😭❤️🔥
I came here to just post some lines about Gwen because IT'S JUST SO GOOD. I love her so much.
JUST LOOK AT IT. «Nobody is cooler than Spider-Gwen. She is such a bad-ass.» 😭 i adore the creative minds behind this show.
I just so so happy that I'm living in the universe when Spider-Verse exists it's so awesome 🙏❤️🔥
Shattered Dimensions with these four
I really don't understand why it's said that she literally doesn't know how to communicate with people, because until now I've only seen the opposite among her friends. In fact, Gwen is one of those people who, the more trust they have towards the other person, the more open they are, it's not something weird and it's something very different from "Not knowing how to interact with anyone"
Besides, "Losing the sanity" is not the appropriate term to refer to her situation either in the prologue or when she was kicked out of the Spider-Society, another VERY different thing is that she has been desperate, that she does not know what to do, nor anyone to go to, because if she had really "almost lost her sanity" she would have gone totally crazy until she sank into dementia, something she was never even close to being in that situation, in fact, the only two characters who were really on the verge of losing his sanity were Miguel and, of course, Miles, who with the short "The Spider Within" we saw how really broken he was inside, and even worse after ATSV.
gwen is so funny as a character. we saw her as such a Cool Teenage Girl in the first movie. she figured out so young how to be spiderwoman, beat bullies at school to protect her friend, is a punk, a drummer in a band, does ballet and adds the grace of her movements to her swinging and fight style, makes her own clothes and changes her hair every month, etc etc.
all that only for us to find out the most important thing about her character is she's a LOSER despite all that. she can't make friends except for peter, can't communicate with people properly, makes a fool of herself in front of her crush's parents, makes terrible decisions under pressure and tries to avoid conflict until she's on the verge of losing sanity.
and ykw? that's exactly why i adore her character so much. fake girlfailure lovers when real girlfailures (gwen stacy) come at them: oh no why would this traumatized homeless & alienated teenager do this....kill it with fire
Miles' loneliness without Gwen is like winter
The art of this short scene is gorgeous!
Im about to replay stray (unrelated), so I put on atsv in the background, and I realized something.
Gwens entire arc is in this movie is explained in the first 3 minutes.
All she does is talk about miles but she's constantly relating her life to his, saying, 'he's not the only one." She wants to be like him, have the type of courage he has to step up to miguel. Not only that, but she starts with "lets do things differently this time" so we know the version of her that is speaking is the one at the end of the movie, when she is trying to fix what she did, and unhurt her friend.
Please, just rewatch the first 3 or so mins of the movie and tell me im not crazy. (It is taking every bone in my body to not go off on a tangent rn)
It can't be that Gwen has already done most of the facets of an average gf/wife without being Miles' gf/wife yet lmao:
In love
Proud for your man
Sad puppy
Jealousy
Getting mad
Calm and asking for forgiveness
😏
*Marvel's Spider-Man 2 wins 0 awards*
"Fans": "iT's miLeS fAuLT bEcAusE hE IsN't sPiDeR-mAn"
I never wanted to say this, but the Spider-Man fandom has become a bad joke, there are people who do not know that Miles is the Barry Allen or the Hal Jordan of the franchise and who not only do not recognize him as Spider-Man , but they don't even recognize that it has become an unstoppable phenomenon thanks to Spider-Verse. What a FUCKING disappointment.
Well, a storyboard has just been published where Gwen, at the beginning of ATSV, was going to see Miles' image, while she changed into her Peter at times, and I honestly don't know what the hell to think about this.
I mean, the first thing that crossed my mind is that, for Gwen, in this version of the storyboard, Miles is nothing more than a replacement for her Peter (Which in itself is contradictory because it is not known if Gwen even liked a little Peter), and if that were not enough, there was also the "Miguel calling" scene of the building where Gwen and Miles were originally going to say goodbye before he followed her to Pav's universe in a totally bitter way (And not exactly because of Miles).
Look, I trust that Lord and Miller are going to give us the most satisfying ending to the relationship between Gwen and Miles, but seeing as they have TOO MUCH to resolve in Beyond The Spider-Verse, along with this that was published, the thing in the next movie can turn out excellently well, or terribly badly, since they have to be very careful not to give the wrong message.
For example, I am one of those who thinks that in the BTSV epilogue, do not have Gwen go with Miles to her prom wearing the same outfit and at the same school, precisely for the same reason I just said. They can be much more creative and original than that, they can make them, for example, do a concert, or be at a meeting on the roof of Miles' house, etc.
Anyway, I want to know what you think, I really didn't like this and like the storyboard of "Miguel calling", it made me wonder what in the earth they were thinking when they did that scene.
Headcanon that at least half of Miles' community already knows he's Spider-Man cuz bro LITERALLY WORE HIS NAME TAG WHILE IN HIS SUIT??
THAT'S YOUR CUSTOMIZED SCHOOL BAG WITH "Miles" WRITTEN ON IT, SOMEONE'S GONNA KNOW IT'S YOU 😭
Now that the SAG-AFTRA strike is over, WE ALL NEED BEYOND THE SPIDER-VERSE, dude, if ATSV was perfect and revolutionary in every way, imagine how the last film in the trilogy will be.
It's interesting but let's keep in mind that the phrase "Death loves Gwen Stacy doesn't exist in the movies due to the fact that they completely replaced that phrase with "In every other universe Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man and that doesn't end well", implying that they separate and/or take different paths (Examples: Spectacular, Raimi saga, 90's series, etc. ) and in very specific cases Gwen dies (Like in TASM2), besides, we are talking about a different Spider-Gwen than the comic versión and that comics phrase it is something too heavy for a movie which isn't for adults like it's in the comics most of the time.
Still, it is highly unlikely that Gwen was affected by seeing multiple Peters in Spider-Society since she wasn't affected at all knowing Peter B in the first film. The canon event that appears there is likely to have been the case, but until now the name "Ghost Spider" has never been used or made a single reference. So, in the Spider-Verse movies, Gwen's canon hero name is "Spider-Woman", for now.
I honestly think Gwen Stacy has one of the coolest spider names, being ghost spider because it has so much meaning behind it in both the comics and the movie. Even though she hasn't been called ghost spider yet in the movies.
Something that is said a lot in the comics is that "death loves Gwen Stacy" because in most universes she is dead or loses everything. This also appears to be true in spider verse. The reason I love the name ghost spider is because it was her embracing that, a way of honoring the other gwens who's graves she visits, because to most other peters she is a ghost to them. Imagine her showing up to the spider society and seeing hundreds of people with your dead best friends face, only to realize that dispite him being the ghost back home it is really you who's the ghost it's you who was dead in most other universes.
Another really cool thing that also adds to the ghost spider names actually was shown in spider verse, when looking at the Canon events every one is looking at something different, Peter B looking at his wedding, Hobie looking at himself giving up on being spiderman, Jess looking at her freeing herself from the ruble, but gwens was different, the Canon event shown for Gwen was kravens last hunt.
The image shown is a picture from the kravens last hunt redrawn from the comics from Gwen instead of Peter because this hasn't happened in gwens comics. In kravens last hunt kraven shoots and burys spiderman, they were buried for 2 weeks before digging themselves out of their grave. The image is of Gwen digging herself out of her grave and since it's the same suit from the first movie it means it's already happened. I think it's kinda symbolic that she digs herself from her grave, given the theme of the spider verse movies is changing your fate. Gwen being afraid to fall in love because she knows she will die if she does, they could change it together proving Canon events wrong.
(THE SPIDER WITHIN SPOILERS)
I can't believe how well these Tweets "aged" after watching The Spider Within ☠️
Sleep paralysis, a unimaginable pressure in his shoulders, schizophrenia (dude...), anxiety and panic attacks (if I don't forget something else), i think Miles said: "Ok i'm going to brake the record as the most dark and tragic character in the entire saga" 💀💀💀
We have to talk seriously about this because it reminds me a lot of Gordon Freeman being seen by the Half-Life fandom for many years as a mega badass character when he was always someone very different from that, when he was always a very traumatized man with much more depth.
Do you know why Spider-Verse Miles is my favorite Spider-Man?
He, without having a choice, had to do in two days, what took all the other Spider-Sonas in the multiverse weeks, become Spider-Man, all under the unimaginable pressure of being the successor to the previous Spider-Man of his universe, which left the bar too high, having to meet everyone else's expectations, and having to go through a tortuous journey while learning from his mentor.
Even when the spider-gang not only didn't trust him but even seemed to dislike Miles at first (Except, of course, Gwen and Peter B, who are very special cases)
And pressing him to see if he was ready and treating him like just a kid (Even Peni).
All so that he then went to his uncle, who was like a second father to him and someone who truly understood Miles, only to find out that he had always been a hitman, going so far as to almost end with the life of his nephew, until he realizes what he was about to do and... well, tragedy happens.
The death of Uncle Aaron, due to the depth and history behind it, remains the most tragic "death of Uncle Ben" in all of cinema... ever.
Miles stopped being the same since then, and even when a hurricane of emotions possessed him, he learned that no matter what, Spider-Man always gets up and keeps going, at the same time he learned to take his leap of faith. Before becoming Spider-Man he had a normal and happy life, but after being bitten by that spider his whole life fell apart, but of course, Miles is someone truly strong and full of determination thanks to the people close to him.
In two days, he surpassed almost the entire Spider-gang, and in a year and a half he become almost a professional as Spider-Man, even giving lessons to everyone else, and making it clear to Gwen and the others what truly means being Spider-Man, not standing by crossed arms while someone is in danger, but trying to do everything you can to save everyone, doing both things, even when it seems impossible, Spider-Man should always try, because everything it's possible.
At the same time that Miles felt stabbed in the back by the same people to whom he wanted to dedicate his entire future just to see them again since he felt alone and sad inside in the world without them, and, specially, without Gwen.
And let me remind something, Miles actually thinks she doesn't even love him and only sees him as a friend, but he still wants to see her
On the ATSV betrayal, he release all that hurricane of emotions that he had to swallow and accumulate inside during ITSV and during that entire year and a half for not having time for ALL those things said before, leading him to have anxiety and panic attacks (Something confirmed in the synopsis of the short "The Spider Within")
All so that they later reveal to him that he was a mistake, an anomaly, that he should never have been Spider-Man, that he killed the Peter of his universe, causing everything that gave MEANING to his life fell down in just a few minutes, leaving Miles more traumatized, mortified and with more trust issues than he already had before.
He really became one of the most tragic character of all the saga (Along with Peter B and, put it in some way, Miguel O' Hara)
And just because Miles looks with a cool and chill personality doesn't mean he's any less traumatized and mortified on the inside (An example is Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man).
Even though in the comics that nickname is only used because that is what his universe is called, in the movies, on the other hand, even though there are people on the internet who deny the fact that he is currently becoming an unstoppable phenomenon that is marking an entire generation and will mark future generations, Miles Morales proved to be, without a doubt, the Ultimate Spider-Man.
As a bonus, even though she always screwed up with everyone around her, both the living and the dead, Gwen showed that she really loves Miles and that he truly is the love of her life, however, needless to say, she has a lot of work to do in her redemption arc to be able to fix things with Miles, which will be very difficult but not impossible, even more so taking into account all the hate she received for everything that happened in ATSV.
Now she has to PROVE not only to him, but to all of us viewers, that she truly deserves to be with Miles, that they can have a life together by her own merit, and that all the hate towards her after the ATSV release it's truly unfair.
However, I have to be realistic, there are characters like Peni or even Peter B who should not be anything more than simple 'acquaintances' or 'partners' for Miles, since, with what they did, the term "Friend" It's too big for them.
In any case, Miles has the last word.
Lately I have read and heard that "Gwen has depression in ATSV just like Peter B in ITSV" and while I understand that she went through a bad period of loneliness, sadness and, yes, frustration, after Peter's death (And in fact, the colors of her universe represent that, at least until the events of ITSV and her arrival in Spider-Society), to say that she went through something very delicate and heavy such as depression is pretty exaggerated.
Not only it's the fact that she was able to turn the page from that bad period with the arrival of Miles and her insersion into the Spider-Society, but that, taking into account that something like that was rudely seen with Peter B in ITSV, the creators had no intention of implying something like that, even more so considering that this film was not even rated PG-13
Besides, this is linked to something that the film wants to demystify, and that is that not everything is black or white, but there are grays, the intermediate points such as Gwen's internal struggle of whether to side with Miles or Miguel, when that was something in between. Same with the "Gwen betrayed Miles" phrase. Saying that "she betrayed him" are big words, since some people, instead of reaching an long but reasonable conclusion appropriate to the situation, prefer to reach a short but extreme and, of course, harsh conclusion.
However, the theme of the color palette representing her internal struggles linked to she missing Miles and the Peter thing is something that can only be applicable until the end of the ATSV prologue, since when she sees her father again after several months, the context is different in that case (Except by the Miles thing)
And through what she says on her date with Miles, when she joined the Spider-Society she was able to start a new stage in her life, being much better and much more happy than the previous stage (Even though she avoided her problems), and that would not have been possible if it had not been for her new and old friendships, her mentor, and of course, none of that would have been possible if it weren't for Miles, otherwise, his development in the first film and in this film would have lost weight and relevance.
I also take this opportunity to complain about the fact that the use of said word has been normalized to the point that it is called "having depression" with feeling bad or going through a bad stage, obviously temporary and that would eventually be reversed, which was precisely the case of Gwen entering the spider society and reversing that.
In conclusion, no, I don't think she suffered from anything like that even during the prologue, mainly because she, unlike other characters, is a very strong girl who, no matter what, gets up and keeps going, and she always finds motivation for this (Miles, her friends, her dad).
- "Ok but since when the Gwen and Miles relationship become a romantic story for both parts? 🤓"
- Since the fucking beggining LMAO
Something that really bothers me is that there are people who, to defend Gwen i guess, exaggerate or even lie with super ugly things that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. Lately I've read every crazy thing that makes me say: Bro, tf you talking about, you're already going a bit too far, this is not a saga for adults, this is not Deadpool, or Peacemaker, or Joker, etc, it doesn't make sense saying unlikeable things that are false about Gwen's story, seriously, we have to take care in what we write, and what we publish.
Wanna know why I don't like Peter B.?
Because when Gwen was actively forced into homelessness in front of him, he literally didn't help at all. And then it gets framed on JESS.
Gwen asks for help. And Peter says this:
Jess asks him to stop talking.
And from this moment forward, Peter makes no effort whatsoever to help Gwen.
Mind you. This is AFTER Miles' escape. After the whole 'shocked Peter' gif. Peter knows Miguel is willing to get violent.
But that line is his only attempt to help.
Even as he watches Gwen be fully restrained and physically forced into the machine. He stands there and watches.
He doesn't try to web her. He doesn't try to stop the machine or talk to Miguel. He stands there in silence. Watching Gwen get sent home to a universe he knows she is homeless in.
And the movie just lets him. Despite the fact he's known Gwen longer than anybody in this room.
Instead, Jess is the only mentor at fault. We're told to blame her.
During this scene we never pan to Peter, standing there literally motionless as Gwen gets dragged away. He's not panicking, or trying to talk Miguel out of it. We're just expected to absolve him of blame.
It's Jess' fault. Jess is her 'failed mentor' - despite the fact that Peter has known Gwen longer, is shown to have a better relationship with her, and we're given no reason as to why he wasn't her mentor to begin with.
Jess says this, and we're supposed to judge her for it. While Peter said nothing at all. At most he made a joke and then shut up when he was told.
Jess might've believed she couldn't help Gwen - but what was Peter's excuse? Standing there and watching this happen? He doesn't feel the need to do anything, say anything, or even leave the room.
For him, watching this is fine. And Gwen NEVER confronts him about it.
We're not supposed to blame Peter for letting Miles and Gwen down, repeatedly.
Even when Gwen is being physically forced into homelessness in front of him.
We're told to blame the black woman when the white man who has known Gwen longer literally stands beside Jess motionless.
Had Hobie not left Gwen the watch - We're left to assume that Peter would've just... let her be homeless in her dimension.
He watched her get sent home, said nothing, then went home to his wife and kid to ponder whether or not he was a bad mentor.
Not if Gwen was okay. Or whether he should go check on her????
That's NOT OKAY???!!!! THAT'S TERRIBLE!!!!!!! And this is the man we're supposed to be routing for? This, the dude who shows NO signs he was even gonna go and check on Gwen? The dude who lets child abuse go down in front of him TWICE and he just stands there blinking? That's our Peter Parker?
And I'm supposed to be thrilled to have him on the team??? Despite the fact Gwen had to come TO HIM. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND???? Gwen doesn't see a problem with that?????
I'm supposed to be happy he's here? Forreal???
Oh joy. Thank you so much, Humbling Reality Spider-man. We love you.
I hate Peter B. ALL MY HOBIES HATE PETER B. (Not a typo)
Many people talking about the things that Gwen had to go through and so on, but Miles literally became the most tragic character in the entire saga at the end of ATSV to the point that he can even have a corruption arc in BTSV, all while he tried to be chill and positive so as not to get bitter just because yes.
Not only is there everything that he had to go through in ITSV (Horrible things and feelings that accumulated and that yes or yes they are going to explode in BTSV and they are going to blame their friends), but he had a lonely life for a year and a half, with anxieties and panic attacks, wanting to dedicate his entire future to seeing his friends again, only to feel stabbed in the back by them and feeling painfully betrayed.
And I really can't imagine what Miles's head is like inside after ATSV and in BTSV, the amount of traumas (Some that come from ITSV) and serious psychological problems he's going to have because of his friends that he didn't even care about when they met him except for Gwen. If you think about it, this trilogy is the story of a wonderful boy, who has no malice whatsoever, who never did anything wrong, who never hurt anyone, and even so, he ended up completely broken by things that He was getting out of hand and now he has no problem seeing his friends as his enemies and confronting them.
And as if that weren't tragic enough, after that, literally his entire WORLD, the thing that gave his life SENSE, collapsed, fell apart, in just a few minutes because of a lunatic who doesn't want anyone in the multiverse is happy just because he couldn't be.
¿Peter was Gwen's first love?
This is something I've been seeing or hinting at very recently because of certain things Gwen says in ATSV, so I wanted to go a little deeper into this topic to see if Peter was really Gwen's first love:
As everyone knows, Gwen and Peter were childhood friends until he, to being someone weak who wanted to be special just like Gwen, turns into the lizard and dies because of it. Something that is made quite clear is the fact that Peter was clearly in love with Gwen but, did she feel the same?
During the flashbacks, one can see how the two of them seem to have a genuine friendship and there actually seems to be no sign of Gwen's romantic relationship with Peter... yet
Although it is presumed that they could have gone to the high school dance as a date, I don't think so since they could easily have gone as friends and that's it.
She always makes it very clear that he was his childhood best friend, and nothing more.
The only real clue that Gwen may have liked her friend deep down is this little scene where Gwen, after Peter's death, sees a couple holding arms and she gets upset about it.
Taking all this into account, the most logical thing is that she started to like Peter just before he died and that's where the thing stayed, it never progressed, it never evolved, nothing. It's like an uncomfortable backpack you wear on your back when you meet your soulmate.
That this would explain her unstable and impulsive personality during ITSV and the ATSV prologue that she ended up changing thanks to Miles.
Adding to which, thanks to Miles, during that time in the Spider-Society, Gwen has not only drastically improved and progressed, but she can truly get over Peter's death.
However, here is something that caused some doubt, and that is that in the ATSV prologue she mentions that, before she met Miles on Earth-1610, there was Peter, however, taking into account that at that time she was not really honest with her feelings, she was surely referring to the weight that both had in her life at that point in the story, since if we talk about friendship itself, it would make sense for Gwen to say that, but if we talk romantically, things change completely.
"Ok but Gwen refers to Miles as the first friend she's made since Peter died" Yes, it's true, but because it was Miles who wanted them to remain friends at the end of ITSV and she respected his decision, however, inside, they already liked each other since they met for the first time, and Gwen fell in love with Miles by the end of the first movie, she didn't say anything at her farewell to ITSV, so Gwen never saw Miles as a friend, she always saw him like something much more than that from the beginning, and that's, surely, the big difference from Peter.
And as a plus, she never said ANYTHING about being in love with Peter or anything like that.
Let's also remember that Gwen tries to hide her feelings in the same way that Miles does too so this should not be a surprise to anyone at this point.
We also know that Gwen refers to Miles as her "Friend" as a curtain, contradicting herself at times because she basically doesn't think things through before she says them, because the romantic feelings are painfully obvious and because also wants to go unnoticed.
Besides, she herself says at the end of ATSV that she gathered her old and, obviously, true friends to save Miles, which in itself says a lot.
More importantly, the fact that Gwen is head over heels in love with Miles and loves him so much more than he loves her, which is insane in itself, should automatically rule out any possibility of the Peter thing having any comparison, romantically speaking.
To make a comparison, Gwen barely knows Miles for 2 or 3 days and fell in love with him, something that did not happen with Peter even though they have known each other for years.
And I know that some may disagree with this, but the truth is that one can love one person much more than another and there is nothing wrong with that.
And one can also realize this when there are thousands of different Peters in the Spider-Society but she's obsessed with Miles, talking about him all that time she was there.
There are other clues to that, too, like when Gwen and Miles are eating on the terrace and she's surprised to realize that romantic feelings make her hungry, as if this was the first time something like this had happened to her.
Or how affectionate, cuddly, flirtatious and playful that she is with Miles (Another big difference from Peter)
Also, the creators made it clear that Beyond The Spider-Verse will have the most satisfying conclusion to the romance between Gwen and Miles, and I can't think of a more satisfying conclusion to the relationship between Gwen and Miles than leaving that message that those little feelings that she may have developed for her dead friend would be nothing compared to what would come her way after that, and her telling Miles that he is the love of her life, being Miles the person who changed her life forever, would be the perfect climax.
In conclusion, while Gwen began to see Peter as more than just her friend shortly before he died, that's basically incomparable to all the love, care, and adoration she has for Miles, and it's grown considerably ever since the ITSV ending until the ATSV ending where, if Miles was truly in love with Gwen, she's Triple as madly in love with her soulmate. So it actually couldn't be said that Peter was Gwen's first love due to that since nothing has been developed regarding Peter, the thing remained in nothing.
I clarify that this is an analysis that I did based on what I have been collecting and researching from MY point of view, some may have a different opinion or disagree on certain things and it is perfect.