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They're the same thing. /nmay
I hate transabled people with fiery passion as much as I hate tulpas
I've experienced similar things. Every endo that has responded to me, on this blog and on other platforms, has brought up the "there's little to no research on this disorder so there's no way to know" argument. Yeah, no shit. That's why I don't believe that you're real. There's no evidence to say you are real. No study has been done yet on endos. You can't prove anything.
Endos and supporters use the little research argument to prove that they are real. Babe, you aren't making a point.
It's like saying magic is real because no one has documented it yet. Sounds dumb, yeah?
I do not care. Endogenic systems aren't real systems. They are taking our real, debilitating experiences, and using them for pitty and internet points.
I have been told to kill myself
I have been told I'm lucky to have trauma
I've been told I am lucky to be so fucked up
I've been told I'm lucky to have such severe PTSD
All from endogenics.
I will not consider them real systems until I am given a legitimate, scientific study, proving me wrong.
That is my opinion. If that makes you mad, block me.
My disorder will not be used to gain sympathy.
Just saw a post by a completely endogenic "system" saying that they don't really know what a system is but still identify as one. π
Fucking pardon?
I won't mention who they are but seriously, this is stupid.
I have no words. This is... gross. The fact that a lot of endos I've seen support transrace, transabled, transage, proship, etc. doesn't help their case. Race isn't an identity. Abilities and disabilities aren't an identity. Age isn't an identity. You're supporting racism, ableism, and MAPs by saying these things. You're disgusting.
Stop. :)
shout out to the systems wo are endos/other orgins systems shout out to mspec label people shout out to poc lgbt+ people shout out to the people who use xenogenders/neopronouns shout to the people who has paraphillas shout out to transage/age regressers/age dreamers/pet regressors shout out to transrace people shout out to people who has biid/transable idk what else i can add but i love yall qwq!/pos
No one's against plurality because of religion/spiritual beliefs. I'm not against that, but that's not what the majority of "endogenics" are. Endos hide behind the fact that spirituality can play a role in plurality to call anti-endos racist/anti-religion, even if they aren't part of that spiritual practice. The problem anti-endos are talking about are people who say they're systems completely without trauma or anything else. They say they have chosen to be a system because of stress, neurodivergency, literally anything. That is not fucking possible. Plurality that forms without spiritual attachment can only be caused by trauma that happened before the age of seven. STFU and learn what we're talking about.
This isn't specifically targeted at the original poster or anon, but it's an important point I had to make.
Wanted to get ur perspective on this but, I think the reason why so many anti-endos are in fact anti endogenic bc they view being a system as being purely a medical diagnosis. So if ur looking at a spiritual system (like me for example uwu) through the lenses of what a medical system should look like then ofc that spiritual system isn't gonna appear valid. And yet when other systems who aren't medical systems say "hey, we only appear invalid to you bc ur viewing us through the wrong lenses, switch ur gaze homie" they absolutely REFUSE to view systems any other way bc their entire perception of systems is purely medical and they refuse the idea of systems existing in any other form bc they have such a tight grasp on this one perspective.
Definitely!
And I think some of this comes down to semantics, equating "system" with DID/OSDD while most of the plural community uses it as a catch-all term for all plural systems, and the actual psychologists have a completely different definition. It's not even a scientific disagreement but one over the definition of a word.
Although, I will remind people that when it is a scientific disagreement, anti-endos don't have any ground to stand on. Regarding spiritual systems specifically, there have been many studies on spiritual mediums and others experiencing possession that have shown different brain activity compared to people simply imagining. Scientists can't prove whether this is actually spiritual or just psychological, but the phenomenon is recognized as real in psychological communities in the way that it's not just people faking or pretending they have these experiences. Nor are these experiences considered mental illnesses or disorders, and they have little to no connection to trauma.
It's always good to remember that spiritual systems were the first types of plurals recognized by society.
I also want to add that being unable to view systems through different lenses can have a lot of harmful repercussions even among OSDD and DID systems. Plurality is a broad spectrum that encompasses a lot of different phenomena. The same way an OSDD system might have difficulty empathizing with a spiritual system, they might also have that same trouble with one that functions in ways that are different from their own. For example, a system who has no internal communication might disbelieve experiences of those who do. Or one with few headmates might not believe experiences of systems with hundreds of headmates. The same could be said of complex inner worlds or any number of other experiences.
Just a reminder to everyone that everybody experiences plurality in their own way, and that just because someone's experiences are different from your own doesn't mean they weren't actually experienced.
Don't call us "sysmeds", call us anti-endos.
IDFC if you call me traumascum. However, that is a nasty word and don't use it in general.
pro endos id like to see u defend this..
THIS !! I can NOT stress this enough. OSDDID is not something fun to have, sure it has its positives (positive experiences) But it's still a trauma disorder. I'm tired of seeing radqueers on here saying "fuck you anti radqueers !! I'm gonna form a system becuase I can :3 I want dissociative amnesia ! I want horrifying flashbacks >w< and I want to have split headaches so bad they're crippling! >:3" I wish every radqueer, endo, pro endo, endo neutral a very get well. A very get educated. It hurts to see these types of people refuse to understand how NOT FUCKING FUN these DISORDERS are, which mind you are INVOLUNTARY. You cannot pick and choose having OSDDID.
DID is more than just having parts. Its also,
β’ amnesia
β’ confusion
β’ headaches
β’ nausea
β’ repeated childhood trauma
β’ anxiety
β’ spikes in fear. Anger. Or shame
β’ mood swings from parts
β’ body dysphoria
β’ depersonalization
β’ derealization
β’ self puzzlement
β’ loss of control
β’ flashbacks
β’ dizziness
And more.
DID is not "friends in your head" its traumatic, scary and uncomfortable. Its not fun it's a terrifying TRAUMA BASED disorder. And it should never be romanticized - Vesper
THIS.
Endos arent a part of syspunk bcause ableism isnt punk
Dawg this is the anti-endo takeover of the century, itβs about time that people combat years of misinformation and abuse that has been spread by the endo community, as someone who was forced through it